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Alf · 06-16-2005, 05:50 PM

In response to the freak's comments: I guess we have to examine the relationship between ideas, the medium to execute the ideas, and the generators of ideas.

All three influence each other and the relationship is not uni-dimensional

As architectually trained, and so to draw analogies,

1.Form Z, 3D max, Maya, pen sketches, water color painting etc are mediums to represent architectural design ideas. Bricks & steels are mediums too to represent these ideas in the physical world.

2. Architectural design ideas primarily come about from examining the relationship of man to the environment

3. Architectural design ideas may also be influence/ surface by the medium (meaning the medium may stretch the imagination, or to expose new forms unconcievable/unachievable b4 hand)

4. Likewise, new mediums are explored to further illustrate the ideas: hence the development of installation art, new steel & technologies.

5. Hence the crux is: what is the best medium to exhibit your best ideas?

6. Then the next question is: In what context do you benchmark the 'best' in both the 'medium' & the 'idea'

7. Thus, the guidelines/framework is laid down, as in this website case: easy maintainence, loading, youth-oriented etc.

8.The success of the 'best' depends largely on the process in achieving the clarity of the idea according the framework:

I.e a posh car may be the best way to show sign of affluence in an adult-oriented poster, but a super 2-giga prototype yet-to-be released ipod will be appropriate to show affluence in youth-oriented poster

i.e going the extreme to make a 3-D, glitz image of the above ipod maybe not be as effective as making a B&W image of the ipod, as the later shows that the 'latest' ipod is already out of phase by the time it reaches your hand.

etc etc..

9. Hence, the question should focus not on taking shortcuts, but instead, should focus on the smartest way to achieve the best effect. The technical know-how is just to make available, the arsenal to deliver that effective punch to the customer.

10. The best design, is not to fulfil only the criteria. The best design, is to tell the customer that, 'you want this, but let me show you a better possibility'.

It is good to advocate discussions on design, and it is even better to up the level of discussion to that of the fundamentals/ ideology, as that is where (I believe) the challenge is.

Moreover, the public is generally becoming more design-focus, and it is good to up their level of design awareness too.

Keep the discussion going!!

Alf · 06-16-2005, 05:59 PM

By the way,

The difference between art and design:

In my opinion,

Art is passive-engagement.
Design is active-engagement.

Design:
take a very simple example: the big-head pin. The pin is a very useful device, but becoz it is painful for the person to push in the sharp end, the 'big-head' is placed behind, to negate that pressure. Hence, the 'big head pin', is a design product.

Art:
enough examples: picasso!

Installation art:
Check out damien hurst works, I find them the best.

Ever wonder why there is the word 'installation' art infront of art to describe certain 'arts'? Fyi: I also dunno! someone tell me about it!

keep sharing knowledge!

nana · 06-16-2005, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3zign3r

It's a modified template lah.

ooh..where?

Terence · 06-16-2005, 07:27 PM

Many web designers would know that there's a widely alleged disadvantage that an all-flash site cannot be read by search engine robots and that's probably the main reason why the judges did not pick an all-flash site as one of the finalists.

There are many ways to overcome the problems of an all-flash site for search engine optimisation... but most major companies' IT advisors still prefer the conventional way to script (html/xhtml/asp/php/mysql/javascript, etc.) the main page of their sites. Flash is usually used sparingly... just for banners/buttons and not for the body of the main page. Of course, an all-flash page (for other aesthetic objectives which can only be achieved by flash) may then be linked from the conventional main page.

d3zign3r · 06-16-2005, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nana

ooh..where?

There you go.
PatrickOng's template "design".

http://www.templatemonster.com/flash...ates/6371.html

The author's nick is Demon. He's apparently from Russia.

patrickong · 06-16-2005, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3zign3r

There you go.
PatrickOng's template "design".

http://www.templatemonster.com/flash...ates/6371.html

The author's nick is Demon. He's apparently from Russia.

Any problem with using OUR COMPANY'S PRODUCTS for a contest?

royng · 06-16-2005, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickong

Any problem with using OUR COMPANY'S PRODUCTS for a contest?

i notice some of your templates on your site are from template monster too is your company working with them?

patrickong · 06-16-2005, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by royng

i notice some of your templates on your site are from template monster too is your company working with them?

Some of them are from TM, or rather, those that is showcased are from TM. There are much more not shown in the website that are from other partners. But we only show one product line as a business strategy.

Look at our portfolio, not many showcased can be found elsewhere.

patrickong · 06-16-2005, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terence

Many web designers would know that there's a widely alleged disadvantage that an all-flash site cannot be read by search engine robots and that's probably the main reason why the judges did not pick an all-flash site as one of the finalists.

There are many ways to overcome the problems of an all-flash site for search engine optimisation... but most major companies' IT advisors still prefer the conventional way to script (html/xhtml/asp/php/mysql/javascript, etc.) the main page of their sites. Flash is usually used sparingly... just for banners/buttons and not for the body of the main page. Of course, an all-flash page (for other aesthetic objectives which can only be achieved by flash) may then be linked from the conventional main page.

This SEO strategy is for companies that have no advertising budget. If they have, we'll recommend that they use AdWords to put their website in the first page and first position for unlimited keywords in Google and Yahoo (if they have more budget).

steviee · 06-16-2005, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickong

This SEO strategy is for companies that have no advertising budget. If they have, we'll recommend that they use AdWords to put their website in the first page and first position for unlimited keywords in Google and Yahoo (if they have more budget).

Interesting that you assume that youth.sg operates with a high budget.

But anyway, does your idea of 'AdWords' entail constant updating? Content (and I am part of the Content team for this portal) is very dynamic and ever-changing.

06-16-2005, 05:50 PM	#61
Alf the Other's Other? Youth.SG Contributor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jurong Posts: 54	In response to the freak's comments: I guess we have to examine the relationship between ideas, the medium to execute the ideas, and the generators of ideas. All three influence each other and the relationship is not uni-dimensional As architectually trained, and so to draw analogies, 1.Form Z, 3D max, Maya, pen sketches, water color painting etc are mediums to represent architectural design ideas. Bricks & steels are mediums too to represent these ideas in the physical world. 2. Architectural design ideas primarily come about from examining the relationship of man to the environment 3. Architectural design ideas may also be influence/ surface by the medium (meaning the medium may stretch the imagination, or to expose new forms unconcievable/unachievable b4 hand) 4. Likewise, new mediums are explored to further illustrate the ideas: hence the development of installation art, new steel & technologies. 5. Hence the crux is: what is the best medium to exhibit your best ideas? 6. Then the next question is: In what context do you benchmark the 'best' in both the 'medium' & the 'idea' 7. Thus, the guidelines/framework is laid down, as in this website case: easy maintainence, loading, youth-oriented etc. 8.The success of the 'best' depends largely on the process in achieving the clarity of the idea according the framework: I.e a posh car may be the best way to show sign of affluence in an adult-oriented poster, but a super 2-giga prototype yet-to-be released ipod will be appropriate to show affluence in youth-oriented poster i.e going the extreme to make a 3-D, glitz image of the above ipod maybe not be as effective as making a B&W image of the ipod, as the later shows that the 'latest' ipod is already out of phase by the time it reaches your hand. etc etc.. 9. Hence, the question should focus not on taking shortcuts, but instead, should focus on the smartest way to achieve the best effect. The technical know-how is just to make available, the arsenal to deliver that effective punch to the customer. 10. The best design, is not to fulfil only the criteria. The best design, is to tell the customer that, 'you want this, but let me show you a better possibility'. It is good to advocate discussions on design, and it is even better to up the level of discussion to that of the fundamentals/ ideology, as that is where (I believe) the challenge is. Moreover, the public is generally becoming more design-focus, and it is good to up their level of design awareness too. Keep the discussion going!! __________________ The OTHER side of the fence

06-16-2005, 05:59 PM	#62
Alf the Other's Other? Youth.SG Contributor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jurong Posts: 54	By the way, The difference between art and design: In my opinion, Art is passive-engagement. Design is active-engagement. Design: take a very simple example: the big-head pin. The pin is a very useful device, but becoz it is painful for the person to push in the sharp end, the 'big-head' is placed behind, to negate that pressure. Hence, the 'big head pin', is a design product. Art: enough examples: picasso! Installation art: Check out damien hurst works, I find them the best. Ever wonder why there is the word 'installation' art infront of art to describe certain 'arts'? Fyi: I also dunno! someone tell me about it! keep sharing knowledge! __________________ The OTHER side of the fence

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06-16-2005, 07:27 PM	#64
Terence Member Youth.SG Contributor Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 43	Many web designers would know that there's a widely alleged disadvantage that an all-flash site cannot be read by search engine robots and that's probably the main reason why the judges did not pick an all-flash site as one of the finalists. There are many ways to overcome the problems of an all-flash site for search engine optimisation... but most major companies' IT advisors still prefer the conventional way to script (html/xhtml/asp/php/mysql/javascript, etc.) the main page of their sites. Flash is usually used sparingly... just for banners/buttons and not for the body of the main page. Of course, an all-flash page (for other aesthetic objectives which can only be achieved by flash) may then be linked from the conventional main page.